Should the Braves go after Cody Ross?

These rumors really do get worse every day…

Cody Ross Career

.261/.323/.456 7.3 BB% 21.3 K% 195 ISO

Player B Career

.296/.343/.437 5.0 BB% 18.5 K% 141 ISO

If you didn’t know, Player B is Matt Diaz and he is already on the team for $2 million dollars. Roughly a third of what Cody Ross is looking to get. So you tell me if we should go after Cody Ross…

Topics: Atlanta Braves, Cody Ross, Matt Diaz

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  • FredOwens

    Far be it from me to stand up for Ross however. Diaz is not in his class regardless of career numbers. Ross can ply all three outfield positions well enough to start. While both players are in a downward trend Ross’ numbers are better than Diaz by a good margin over the past five years. He has 2 1/2 times the fWar and is younger. He’s not Quentin but he’s not Diaz either and he’s more versatile.

  • FredOwens

    Far be it from me to stand up for Ross however. Diaz is not in his class regardless of career numbers. Ross can ply all three outfield positions well enough to start. While both players are in a downward trend Ross’ numbers are better than Diaz by a good margin over the past five years. He has 2 1/2 times the fWar and is younger. He’s not Quentin but he’s not Diaz either and he’s more versatile.

  • randyda

    The only reason Diaz’s career numbers are as good as Ross’s is that he has been largely protected from batting against RHP. For his career, Diaz has roughly equal AB’s against RHP and LHP ( 888 vs 867). Ross has had 2 1/2 times as many AB’s against RHP (1924 vs RH; 759 vs LH). Ross’s career OPS vs LHP is better than Diaz (.912 vs .874) and his career OPS vs RHP is better (.727 vs .689). The only reason their overall OPS is similar is the disparity in the proportion of AB’s vs. RHP. And that’s because Ross hits RHP decently enough to get significant playing time against them. This, plus the reasons Fred mentioned are why Ross is clearly the superior player.

  • randyda

    I do believe Ross would be a great pickup for the Braves. When Prado has to play third, Ross could pay LF and provide solid defense and league average offense. In addition, Ross would provide a very good bat in the lineup vs LHP which the Braves struggled greatly with last year. He could give Heyward, Bourn, Prado and Freeman (with Prado playing first) days off against LHP. I believe the upgrade of Ross for this role over the likes of Matt Young, Joe Mather, Wilkin Ramirez and Jose Constanza would likely add 1 or 2 wins. With the Braves being very much a borderline playoff team, 1 win could mean the difference in making the play-offs (it has the past two years). I think it would be worth paying him in the neighborhood of $4.5m.

  • randyda

    The only reason Diaz’s career numbers are as good as Ross’s is that he has been largely protected from batting against RHP. For his career, Diaz has roughly equal AB’s against RHP and LHP ( 888 vs 867). Ross has had 2 1/2 times as many AB’s against RHP (1924 vs RH; 759 vs LH). Ross’s career OPS vs LHP is better than Diaz (.912 vs .874) and his career OPS vs RHP is better (.727 vs .689). The only reason their overall OPS is similar is the disparity in the proportion of AB’s vs. RHP. And that’s because Ross hits RHP decently enough to get significant playing time against them. This, plus the reasons Fred mentioned are why Ross is clearly the superior player.

  • randyda

    I do believe Ross would be a great pickup for the Braves. When Prado has to play third, Ross could pay LF and provide solid defense and league average offense. In addition, Ross would provide a very good bat in the lineup vs LHP which the Braves struggled greatly with last year. He could give Heyward, Bourn, Prado and Freeman (with Prado playing first) days off against LHP. I believe the upgrade of Ross for this role over the likes of Matt Young, Joe Mather, Wilkin Ramirez and Jose Constanza would likely add 1 or 2 wins. With the Braves being very much a borderline playoff team, 1 win could mean the difference in making the play-offs (it has the past two years). I think it would be worth paying him in the neighborhood of $4.5m.

  • http://tomahawktake.com/ CarlosCollazo

    Ross is looking to get around $6 million. Diaz is making $2. If we get an outfielder it needs to be someone who is going to be able to go out their everyday. Ross would be much better as a platoon guy and I would rather just have Prado go out and play left than use a platoon. Yes Ross is the better hitter but when we are talking about money and what they will be doing for the team, I would much rather just stick with Diaz.

  • randyda

    @CarlosCollazo

    1) I agee we shouldn’t pay Ross $6m. But just b/c he is asking for $6m doesn’t mean someone is going to pay him that. I believe we should offer $4.5 and if he goes elsewhere, fine.

    2) I guess we just disagee on the value Diaz will provide. Last year he was just awful. His BRef WAR was a -0.3. I truly hope I am wrong because I like Diaz but it appears to me he may be done as a professional baseball player. I would much rather pay someone $4.5m to give me 1 WAR vs. $2m to give me less than replacement level.

    3) I am not suggesting a platoon with Prado. I believe Chipper is likely to miss 40+ games. Prado would start at third and Ross in LF during that time. You could also use Ross to spell 3 or 4 different positions when they needed days off, preferably against LHP. I believe the situation the Braves have with Chipper (not to mention Heyward’s injury history), and the left-handedness of the Braves lineup, it’s imperative the Braves have a quality 4th outfielder that hits LHP welll. I believe such a player could easily start 60+ games and accumulate 1 WAR. I just don’t believe Matt Diaz is that guy.

    Anyway, thanks for the dialogue. It’s fun debating the Braves with someone as informed as you are.

  • http://tomahawktake.com/ CarlosCollazo

    Ross is looking to get around $6 million. Diaz is making $2. If we get an outfielder it needs to be someone who is going to be able to go out their everyday. Ross would be much better as a platoon guy and I would rather just have Prado go out and play left than use a platoon. Yes Ross is the better hitter but when we are talking about money and what they will be doing for the team, I would much rather just stick with Diaz.

  • randyda

    @CarlosCollazo

    1) I agee we shouldn’t pay Ross $6m. But just b/c he is asking for $6m doesn’t mean someone is going to pay him that. I believe we should offer $4.5 and if he goes elsewhere, fine.

    2) I guess we just disagee on the value Diaz will provide. Last year he was just awful. His BRef WAR was a -0.3. I truly hope I am wrong because I like Diaz but it appears to me he may be done as a professional baseball player. I would much rather pay someone $4.5m to give me 1 WAR vs. $2m to give me less than replacement level.

    3) I am not suggesting a platoon with Prado. I believe Chipper is likely to miss 40+ games. Prado would start at third and Ross in LF during that time. You could also use Ross to spell 3 or 4 different positions when they needed days off, preferably against LHP. I believe the situation the Braves have with Chipper (not to mention Heyward’s injury history), and the left-handedness of the Braves lineup, it’s imperative the Braves have a quality 4th outfielder that hits LHP welll. I believe such a player could easily start 60+ games and accumulate 1 WAR. I just don’t believe Matt Diaz is that guy.

    Anyway, thanks for the dialogue. It’s fun debating the Braves with someone as informed as you are.

  • http://tomahawktake.com/ CarlosCollazo

    @randyda Well I appreciate the comment. It’s always nice to get feedback on the stuff I write. I love hearing people’s different opinions. Keep checking us out man!

  • http://tomahawktake.com/ CarlosCollazo

    @randyda Well I appreciate the comment. It’s always nice to get feedback on the stuff I write. I love hearing people’s different opinions. Keep checking us out man!