September 28, 2011; Atlanta, GA, USA; Atlanta Braves second baseman Dan Uggla (26) celebrates with first baseman Freddie Freeman (5) after hitting a two run home run against the Philadelphia Phillies during the third inning at Turner Field. Mandatory Credit: Dale Zanine-US PRESSWIRE

Batting Order Options Reply


I am guessing you guys have seen Lee’s post on different lineup possibilities. If you haven’t than you can check it out here. Lee’s opinion on batting order are a bit different than mine and I thought it would be a good idea to give you my thoughts.

  • Bourn
  • Prado
  • Jones
  • McCann
  • Uggla
  • Freeman
  • Heyward
  • Pastornicky

Like Lee said this is a traditional lineup and one that I think we should expect to see at the beginning of the year. Bourn is not going to move out of the leadoff spot unless he gets injured and I agree with that. Next is the lineup that I would prefer to see if everyone is hitting like they should be.

  • Bourn
  • Prado
  • Heyward
  • McCann
  • Uggla
  • Freeman
  • Jones
  • Pastornicky

Some of you may freak out seeing Chipper batting 7th but I feel like his time in the three hole is about over. Both Heyward and McCann are better fits for the spot in my opinion. Here is another option for the lineup I would like to see.

  • Bourn
  • Jones
  • McCann
  • Uggla
  • Freeman
  • Prado
  • Heyward
  • Pastornicky

This lineup takes advantage of Chipper’s OBP high in the order. It is something I would like to see tried out near the beginning of the season because Heyward should be moved into the heart of the order if he starts hitting well. Lastly I am going to show you guys what the Book says about lineups.

  • Heyward
  • Chipper
  • Uggla
  • McCann
  • Freeman
  • Bourn
  • Prado
  • Pastornicky

I understand the concepts used in this process but they are never going to happen. Most managers today wouldn’t use this lineup because of McCann (L), Freeman (L), and Bourn (L). This lineup could be decent but I would rather have a consistent lineup and I feel like any of the other three lineups give you that.

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  • leetro

    Here’s one reason you can’t go exactly by The Book. The past results of runners on base are based on traditional lineups. If you use Heyward and Chipper 1-2 instead of Bourn and Prado, the 3 hitter will have more opportunities with runners on base, making him more important. You can’t use results from a different process to analyze a new process. We do know dropping a spot in the order represents about 18 less PA over a season, which is not much but enough to matter. This is why it makes sense to many that the better hitters should hit at the top. My lineup is very similar to your last one, except McCann/Uggla and Prado/Bourn flipping.

  • FredOwens

    The problem with book lineups is as Lee says they depend on data from a different configuration altogether, Something that wasn’t mentioned was pitch selection. It’s a significant issue for a good pitcher and the importance increases for the 3,4,5 starters who are in theory not so good. The thing everyone accepts and will happen is putting TP in the 8 hole. That situation is designed to keep his numbers down whereas hitting in front of a threat at the plate would result in more fastballs. The reports I read say he hits fastballs just fine but worries about breaking balls so his lineup slot should be designed to get him the most fastballs and the 8 hole isn’t that spot. I know I’m the only one that believes that but it’s certainly a factor. Prado would fair much better there but likely would be insulted.

    Chipper said after hitting second last year he wasn’t doing that again. I doubt Fredi challenges that and frankly his lack of legs as he grows older (and by some reports heavier) mean a 7 hole isn’t a bad choice for him. We shall see what materializes. IF he’s as out of shape as some write he may injure himself right out of the season before it starts. Sadly we can’t afford the replace him with anything near what he’s projected to get. Just my cynicism setting in after reading of Hanson’ wreck and that Huddy may be a month + late.

  • leetro

    @FredOwens About TP, if Bourn hits in front of him, TP should see more fastballs when pitchers try to prevent steals. Also, Prado hasn’t been much of a breaking ball hitter either. I’d rather see the worst hitter in the 8th spot.

    About Chipper, if the walks don’t come back, there would be no reason to hit him 2nd. Bourn would move up to the top and Heyward would be 2nd, leaving Chipper 6th most likely. I think the speed is needed more at the bottom, since you need it to take extra bases on singles. Anyone can jog around the bases after a home run. If he can’t run, there’s really no good time for him to be on base.

  • http://www.sabbump.org/ clearwall

    I dont think you can just go with one lineup and say “this will take us to the promised land.” You have to gear for the pitcher your facing, who is going hot, etc. On top of that, we have to worry about when Chipper is resting, when Bmac is resting… There are just too many variables on a given day to make one master lineup.

  • FredOwens

    @leetro I agree Bourn should hit in front of TP but he should be the leadoff man. The whole idea that a great OBP works best at the top ignores the difference in performance in different lineup positions, like that Bourn hits better in the 2 hole than leading off. it’s a moot point as managers aren’t going to put Pujols leading off nor is the lineup going to be McCann, Freeman, Jones, Bourn, Heyward, Uggla, Prado, Patornicky as they finished last year.

  • http://tomahawktake.com/ CarlosCollazo

    I hope no one thinks I am trying to create a lineup that we can use every single day. No team has that. this is a general thing.

  • http://tomahawktake.com/ CarlosCollazo

    I hope no one thinks I am trying to say any of these lineups should be used everyday. That’s not possible. This is just a general thing.

  • aryanspecial

    I keep reading how we wont hit 3 leftys in a row. I recall the Phillies doing this quite a bit with Utley, Howard, and Ibanez. I understand trying to seperate them to a certain extent but i think people put far too much into that. I guess its hard for me to understand why you “dont bat 3 leftys in a row” but 3 rightys? No problem? Guess my point is that its all about the promise of the hitter. Not what hand he bats.

  • leetro

    @aryanspecial The specific player does matter, but generally lefties have bigger platoon splits than righties. Leaguewide last year, left-handed hitters had an OPS 83 points lower against LHP than RHP and right-handed hitters had a 58 point difference. Also, there are more LOOGYs than ROOGYs.

  • http://www.sabbump.org/ clearwall

    @leetro @aryanspecial Because you have such fewer LH pitchers than RH, every batter in the league will have a better chance to hit RH than LH. If you add onto that the advantage LH pitchers have against LH batters, it is more dangerous to bat three lefties in a row.

  • http://tomahawktake.com/ CarlosCollazo

    @clearwall @leetro@aryanspecial Lee and clearwall are exactly right.

  • aryanspecial

    O@CarlosCollazo @clearwall @leetro OK, so you mean to tell me the best approach in setting up a line up is in anticipation of what will happen in the 7th, 8th, and 9th innings? I understand that the Braves don’t have solid PH righty bats at their disposal. But if I’m facing a right handed starter, isn’t the idea to set up the BEST order possible to generate the most runs possible? If I’m up 6-0 in the 4th inning and a lefty reliever is brought in, I’m still feeling great with the pitching that I have. Sure, I can see in the closer games where a lefty specialist comes in and does damage. I get that. But if I’m a manager and my best run producing lineup features 3 straight leftys going up against a righty starter, I’m all in. I want to score the most runs, not anticipate a what if scenario later in the game. Our top 3 most promising hitters bat from the left side and so does our speedy leadoff hitter. Its what we have. Sperating them for the sake of a what if is kind of silly to me.
    This team needs another right handed bat off of the bench that doesn’t catch. Obviously Diaz isn’t that guy.
    I can agree with all of you when a lefty starter takes the hill. Otherwise sorry, when a righty starts, I don’t care if its all 4 leftys and Chipper in the top 5 spots. Just score enough runs and pitch. Simple.

  • http://www.sabbump.org/ clearwall

    @aryanspecial @leetro @CarlosCollazo If you dont, you have to sub out a starter in the most important parts of a game. Just like you said, if the game is close, do you want to have Heyward/McCann/Chip coming up or Heyward/Pasto/McCann? If you dont plan for the 7th 8th 9th with your lineup, you have to sub for one of those lefties with a RH bat and you lose a starter. Better to have all your starters in those innings and just move them around to break up the hands. Why do you think you cant have great success with a R/L/S/R/L type pattern?