Braves Pitching Questions Get Harder To Answer


 

Braves Pitching Roller Coaster Frustrates Fans, Highlights Indecisive Management

Saying Braves pitching this year has been erratic is being kind and Braves fans good reason to question some of management’s decisions. Tim Hudson and Brandon Beachy were the only stable starters then Brandon Beachy’s aching UCL let go and he was lost for the season and part if not most of next.

As a quick review, here’s what the performance data looked like for the first three months of the season.

 

  Hanson Minor Delgado Jurrjens  
  ERA  WHIP ERA WHIP ERA WHIP ERA WHIP
April 3.00 1.267 4.65 1.133 6.30 1.750 9.4 2.449 4 games
May  4.65 1.613 9.95 1.895 3.60 1.314 In  AAA  
June 3.13 1.168 4.55 1.482 4.80 1.378 2.03* 0.975* * 2 games

The infallible bullpen trio from 2011 was suddenly human again – well Eric O’Flaherty and Jonny Venters were; particularly Venters who hasn’t been able to locate his sliders as well and left sinkers up in the zone to get crushed. Add these issues to a streaky lineup that left some good pitching performances unrewarded while supporting some not so good ones and it’s easy to see why fans expecting another division title challenging season are frustrated. Why management (GM Frank Wren, Manager Fredi Gonzales, and presumably pitching coach Roger McDowell) are acting like this is a surprise and seem unable to chose a course of action is not as easy to comprehend.

Unrealistic Expectations?

A quick recap for those who forget what happened last month, last winter etc. When the Braves feeble attempts to add a bat fizzled because horrible trades and contracts saddled the 2012 team with 11.5 million in sunken costs, the letter from John Schuerholz promising changes to prevent another collapse was completely forgotten. I suppose it’s forgotten, management doesn’t mention it and the traditional press hasn’t asked about it so I assume they  have ADD and don’t remember it either. I don’t count Juan Francisco as an improvement because that acquisition was more about filling the GMs personal wish list than a need. Instead management renewed the drumbeat that Braves mythical pitching depth was back after injury so all would be well. Questions asked about progress from injury and poor spring training performance were brushed aside by the ‘don’t worry we have depth’ argument. That was of course just another head office fantasy. A far better assessment of the rotation would have been “hopeful that everyone is healthy, finds their arm slot, recover their lost velocity and doesn’t get injured.” But I suppose that doesn’t sell tickets.

The Rotation

Six starters fought for five jobs while their most dependable starter from 2010 (Kris Medlen) was relegated to long man along with Cristhian Martinez and late addition Livan Hernandez.  The five starters who broke camp were anything but strong or dependable. While management brushed these issues aside they’ve turned out to be mighty important. Here’s a brief review

  1. Tim Hudson was coming off back surgery and while they expected him to be ready by May and he looked good in spring training, back surgery always leaves questions and durability.
  • Hudson did recover completely and has been his stellar self, He is however carrying bone spurs in his heel that was a known issue last year. Surgery was not done because it would have hindered recovery from the more serious back issue. He’s missed one start already and had cortisone injections but that doesn’t eliminate the pain they cause. Huddy will pitch until he can’t of course, that’s his style. If the ‘he can’t’ period comes in August/September the impact will be severe. Hudson has become our defacto ace but he doesn’t match up well with other aces. I love Huddy but he’s a three.
  • Tommy Hanson lost velocity in the first half of 2011. That went unnoticed because his control was so good and his pitches so sharp that a year ago he was 9-4 with a 2.92 ERA. he ended up having surgery on his shoulder and entering 2012 no one was sure what the after effects would be. His velocity was down from 2011 speeds in spring training so saying he was ready to go and at his best in March was at best overly optimistic.
    • Hanson was okay in April but not near his best. May was awful by his standards however June’s seen him looking more like June 2011 Tommy again. He is still not the pitcher he was in 2010 but he’s considerably better than three months ago. Hanson’s pitching like a two. Lost 7-2-12 when the offense failed to show up.
  • Jair Jurrjens had a fantastic first half of 2011 then his knee started hurting and required surgery. In spring training he was mediocre at best, had to wear a knee brace when he pitched and just didn’t look good on the mound. His velocity was down and he wasn’t locating but everyone said he’d be fine.
    • Jurrjens was awful. He was so awful that even his $5.5M contract couldn’t keep him on the team. A month in Gwinnett – where he might well still reside had Brandon Beachy not blown out his elbow – was not what he wanted. He felt “hurt” when the Braves sent Medlen down to be stretched out instead of recalling him.  His two outings since returning have been very good. Although his velocity is 88 occasionally touching 89 his control has been as good as early 2011. Time will tell if he’s transformed himself into a finesse pitcher. In any event he can’t currently be considered a top of the rotation pitcher. He’s at best a three.
  • After rumors of a possible off season trade spread, word came out that Mike Minor had to (shock horror) earn his rotation spot. He was angry and said publically management should start or trade him. His anger did however cause him to focus on being his best and leaving spring training he along with Brandon Beachy were the only dependable arms in the rotation.
    • Minor’s performance has been wildly unstable, good in April, horrible in May and back to okay in June. Minor never projected as a top of the rotation guy. He’s currently pitching like a fourth starter.
  • Randall Delgado earned the fifth starting spot by not being as bad as Julio Teheran. Teheran was awful and hasn’t been consistently better at Gwinnett so far.
    • Delgado is pitching like what he is; a young, rookie fifth starter. he has games where he looks like he’s figured it out and then the next start gets hammered and doesn’t last three innings. That would be fine if Minor and Jurrjens didn’t occasionally pitch that way as well.

    Our rotation lacks an ace. We have a couple of twos, a couple of threes and a five. When the young arms in the rotation faltered in June, management decided to send Medlen down so he would be ready to start. Then one good outing from the two young arms made them change their minds and put him back in the bullpen. Now the same guys are faltering again and management is unable to decide if Medlen is the guy or these guys just need time to work it out. They should know this is what young pitchers do; one day brilliant the next just bad. They seem however, to be shocked when it happens. If they don’t know what the plan for our pitching is – let them grow and accept we aren’t winning this year or replace them and win now -  how are the players supposed to know?

    Young Rotations Do Not Win Championships

    It is really that simple. Even with all cylinders firing it takes experience, maturity and mental toughness as well as good stuff to win. (Before you look it up and I know you will the 09 Giants ages were 25,26,32,27 and 20.)  There seems to be a feeling among some fans that Minor, Delgado and to some extent Hanson and Teheran, should be pitching like Glavine and Smoltz; they are. . . well, sort of.  Please understand comparing these guys in no way suggests equivalent talents, only similar stages of development.

    In Glavine’s first full year he was 7-17 (led the league in losses) with a 4.56 ERA and a 1.352 WHIP.

    Tom Glavine Mike Minor
    ERA WHIP ERA WHIP
    April 4.44 1.315 4.65 1.133
    May 7.55 1.839 9.95 1.895
    June 1.64 1.485 4.55 1.482

    Hanson has started in about the same number of games as Smoltz had after three years with the Braves. In his third year Smoltz was 14-11, 3.85, 1.280 while Big Red is 9-4, 3.59, 1.349.

    Smoltz isn’t in any way a fair comparison to Delgado so I looked to see if I could find a 22 year old right handed that had started at least 10 games for the Braves between 1987 and 2003. Besides Smoltz I found one – remember that stat, I will be back to it. The starter was Pet Smith.

    Here’s how Delgado’s numbers compare to the 1988 numbers for Smith.

    Pete Smith Randall Delgado
    ERA WHIP ERA WHIP
    April 3.46 1.346 6.30 1.750
    May 6.21 1.710 3.60 1.314
    June 6.41 1.913 4.80 1.378

    In comparison to similar pitchers at similar ages, Minor, Hanson and Delgado don’t look that bad. In case you’ve forgotten, the Braves didn’t win anything in 87 or 88. Need more reinforcement?

    It Has Always Been Thus

    Lets look at some history. For the sake of this we’ll consider a pitcher successful if he starts 10 games a season and his record is over .500.

    Between 1990 and 1999

    • 1613 different pitchers had at least one season where they started 10 games
    • 346 of those (21.5%) were aged 20-24
  • 848 of the 1613 had winning seasons that year
    • 153 (18%) of the young pitchers had a winning season
    • 82 won 10 or more – 30 of those lost 10 or more

    (For all the sabre folks who don’t like the counting stats, I did similar comparisons with ERA and WHIP. The results were similar but I didn’t want to rewrite.)

    Championship teams have pitching rotations heavy in experience and the knowledge that comes with it. Remember that between 87 and 2003 only one right handed 22 year old other than Smoltz made 10 starts for the Braves in a season? During the streak 1991-2005 the rotation never had more than one starter under 25 with 10 starts or more.

    Except for Hudson, our rotation is very light on real experience. Tommy Hanson has 93 regular season games and one post season game, Jair Jurrjens has 121 regular season games while Minor and Delgado together have only 61.  To challenge successfully this year with or without Brandon Beachy, the rotation needs a veteran arm and since we don’t have a true ace on the staff, that arm needs to be an ACE.

    That’s A Wrap

    Pitchers who win big before they’re 25 year old are rare. It takes time to learn how to do it at the very top. Our young arms – regardless of their projections and stuff – have to learn by doing or be taught by a good coach so they can practice on the field, what to expect and how to react. Our young guns were thrown n at the deep end and are pitching like it.

    A championship rotation can live with one good young arm as their fifth man. Depending on more than that because of their projections is folly almost certainly ending in disappointment. If Braves leadership really believes we can win this year they need to do what it takes to make it happen. In order to win we need:

    • At least one veteran starter; a number one starter.
    • to rebuild a bench that’s so shallow a tadpole could drown in it and
    • To get the right people playing the right position every day

    If we don’t address those issue we’re not contenders, we’re pretenders.

    Those moves will undoubtedly mean trades some will hate because their favorite guy is gone. Those same folks however want the Braves to be champions again. They want to chop and wave banners in October. They’ll be happy to applaud when their old favorite returns to the Ted as a visitor if there’s a new championship banner hanging in the outfield.

    Tags: Brandon Beachy Featured Mike Minor Popular Randall Delgado Tim Hudson Tommy Hanson

    • leetro

      The Rays the past few years have had young rotations and done well.  The ’03 Marlins had all five starters under 30, so young rotations can win it all.  That being said, their five were much better than our current five.  I think you’re being nice on their “slot” labels.  I agree with Huddy as a two, but Hanson is probably a marginal 3, Delgado as a 4, Minor as a 5 or 6, and Jurrjens, even after considering his past two starts, is a 7th or 8th starter.  If the Braves can pick up a true ace (Greinke or maybe Garza), that would leave them with an average rotation.  That’s probably enough to make the playoffs, and you never know what can happen from there.

    • Maestro_Mike

      I work in a law office so i know the power of words is often underestimated. Schuerholz might’ve promised no more collapses, but never really considered or promised this team to be serious contender to win anything. If you look at what the Braves have accomplished over the last 3 or so years, its really been because of surprise performances from a starter or two, some nice bullpen work and uncanny late inning victories. None of theses things are akin to long term championship contenders. Flash in the pans, maybe. 
      So what do they have THIS year to give Braves and hope? As FredEOwens pointed out a young and ineffective rotation, sans Hudson (which most have performance peaked), an inconsistent lineup whose approach to AB’s make one wonder if slitting a wrist would be easier to watch. They have a manager(yes I applauded him coming over-ugh) that doesn’t seem to know what he’s doing with the pitchers and pen.
      I expected the month of June to be bad, so Im taking that with a grain of salt. But what pisses me off as a Braves fan in the north is seeing a team like the Nats take their licks and now have complied a team that seems vastly superior to the Braves. Ive always prided myself on being a braves fan saying management has players in the pipes that can fill needs- but it seems thats simply NOT the case. I mean even the Muts are playing better. The Marlins are what I expected and the Phils i thought would be better than they are just for the pitching alone until their guns came back.
      One Ace wil not fix this team, but a bench upheaval will help. Also, I love chipper as much as the next guy but if he’s not coming back it’ll be nice to see them put his money to good use with another bat or arm. 
      So the pessimist that I am just confirms that this team is probably this year is a wash. Playoffs maaaaybe-but this aint hockey where the hottest team wins. Okay so maybe it is(Cardinals) but it usually doesnt work that way.

    • http://tomahawktake.com/ CarlosCollazo

       @leetro Last sentence pretty much sums up baseball Lee.

    • BCinAlabama

      After reading this, why go on? Sheesh…

    • Big Bad Bob

      I’ve been imagining trade scenarios for the past couple of weeks.
      Outside the starting 8 position players, Ross, Huddy, Kimbrel and Hanson, I could see the Braves trade away anyone else without too much concern of a “fan backlash”.
      For example, Medlen and Christian Martinez could be a starter in Houston, Chicago (NL) or San Diego. Venters’ arm could fall off, so a trade may be imminent. EOF will become too expensive, Hinske could (I suppose) DH, Diaz could be a lefty killer for someone else…
      Then we have Rev, Todd Cunningham, Keenan Wiley, Eduardo Salcedo and other interesting prospects.
       
      If the other team eats salary, we could make just about any deal we want. The question is, will the Front Office do it?
      As a Braves fan for nearly 50 years, I’ll say that we will see very few trades and those trades will be for players of marginal talent, simply because they cost less.
       
      Ted Turner no longer owns the Braves and the Braves no longer own The NL.

    • Maestro_Mike

       @Big Bad Bob “Ted Turner no longer owns the Braves and the Braves no longer own The NL.” A- Freakin men.
       
      This phrase summarizes why the Braves can no longer compete with the big boys. They’ll have to catch lightning in a bottle some some young players who are destined to be stars and ride them before they leave for NY or Boston. Uhh.. wait thats the current plan now. Except the Braves don’t have studs in waiting. They have(mostly) run of the mill average players. Bad combination.

    • Big Bad Bob

       @Maestro_Mike The problem of having “young players who are destined to be stars” is that, with the Braves payroll, they will be stars with a high payroll team.
      Unfortunately, the Braves have them when they are young, talented and inconsistent. When they start to blossom into stars, they are destined for the big money, which means anywhere but Atlanta.
       
      God, I hate Liberty Media!!!