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Tim Hudson To Sign With SFGiants


Numerous tweets about the same topic this afternoon:  the Braves are losing longtime starting pitcher – and all -around Good Guy – Tim Hudson to the San Francisco Giants…terms are said to be 2 years/$23 million. This marks the second time (already!) that the Giants have stepped up for free agent pitching this off-season (Tim Lincecum:  2 years/$35m).






That’s clearly serious coin – and almost certainly well above the rate that the Braves were interested in spending to retain Huddy’s services beyond 2013… particularly given that his last 4 years were compensated at $9 million annually.  However, according to MLBTR:

“Atlanta’s efforts topped out at one year and a lower salary than the $9MM he made in 2013″

That line cannot entirely be reconciled with prior public statements about how much Tim has meant to the Braves organization and how they definitely wanted him back.  Other sources indicated that their initial offer was, in fact, raised to that $9 million mark – but this offer of $11.5 million per year must have ended that conversation.

In case you’re curious about the income tax rate differentials (and I was):  Georgia:  6% on income above $7K; California:  10.3% on income above $1 million.  That’s nearly a half-million dollar differential – so the Braves were still at least $2 million short per year… and may not have even offered that second year.


Hudson was traded to Atlanta from Oakland in the 2004-2005 off-season during a furious week of deals that also included trades with Kansas City (for Jorge Vasquez) and Milwaukee (for Dan Kolb).  The Hudson deal in December 2004 meant giving up outfielder Charles Thomas, pitcher Juan Cruz and pitcher Dan Meyer.  I think we can conclude that Oakland was pretty well fleeced in that trade.

Tim has (had) spent 9 seasons in Atlanta, finishing with a 113-72 record with the Braves and a 3.56 ERA.  During those seasons, he has the 8th most pitching victories in the majors (tied with Jered Weaver), and 4th among those staying with the same club over that period of time.  He has also clearly been Atlanta’s horse – working 1573 innings (17th most in that 2005-2013 time)… despite losing a year to Tommy John surgery. He had still never had a losing record in any year of his major league career.

A native of Columbus, GA (raised in Phenix City, AL), Hudson attended Auburn University in 1996-97 before being drafted by Oakland.  He made himself a fixture in the Atlanta area by his work with wife Kim via the Hudson Family Foundation, chiefly with their work in the Atlanta Pediatric Hospital and Make-a-Wish.  He has almost had a lock on the Roberto Clemente Award’s annual team nomination, both in Oakland and Atlanta.  Shocking that he hasn’t managed an overall win of that award yet.


So once again: the Braves are outbid or otherwise opted out in competition for their own very useful free agents (David Ross, Michael Bourn, Tim HudsonEric O’Flaherty and Brian McCann still to come; Reed Johnson was allowed to walk away over $1.45 million).  So exactly when will that new stadium be ready again?

This one’s gonna hurt.

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  • Jesus

    giving a 38 year old coming off of major surgery $12m a year is foolish, regardless of payroll.

    • carpengui

      True enough… heck, he was “only” getting $9m each of the past 4 years. The crazy money is coming out of the wallets early this off-season.

      • Chris Headrick

        Yeah SF often makes a ton of bad moves (sarcastically). Perhaps it was the Braves that did, so I say, and definitely in this case. Unfortunately, Braves can’t pay that, however much Huddy, in my opinion, is worth it, and SF can, so bravo for them!

        • fireboss

          In the market as it stands today and if Huddy is healthy which we must assume he is, this wasn’t a huge overpay. As I understand the calculation of player value related to WAR and it is limited I admit, for Huddy to earn his 11.5M per season he’d have to produce about 1.9 wins per season. That’s higher than 2012 but he was coming off of back surgery and he was at 1.0 when his ankle went was shattered this year so getting close to the 1.9 might be sa stretch. That said the FA pitching market is pretty thin and the other guy like Huddy out there is Arroyo who I expect will get more. In a sellers market the buyer pays or does without. The Giants looked at Huddy’s whole package – experience, leadership, mentoring of younger players as well as his statistics and decided it was worth the risk.

          In SF the ballpark should be his friend as will all the other NL West venues except perhaps Arizona. With Cain and Bumgarner leading the pack and Lincecum in at the 3 spot Huddy don;t have to be the #1 guy. He can slot into the the back end of their rotation and If he gives them his usual 200 or so innings and a winning record they’ll be happy. Could he flop and it be seen in retrospect as a mistake? Sure. But I doubt that happens. If Huddy can’t cut it he’ll retire. He made it clear he wasn’t in it for the $$ anymore by taking the low ball offer the Braves gave him in 2009. He wants to win andhe thinks the Giants have a chance. I don’t think as it stands today they have a great chance but neither were any of the other offers he was likely to get. I wish him luck except when he faces the Braves of course

          • Sealift67

            If he is healthy and durable, that is a risky assumption
            for the Hud at his age and surgical history. I still do not
            see high priced FA starting pitching as priority. Another
            set-up guy, absolutely. All of the young starters will have
            had another year under their belts. Teheran could well
            have a break out year. Beachy has better chance of coming back to full health vs Hud, IMO. Alex Wood
            is still in the late development stage re the Davey
            Johnson theory of pitchers’ development. I could
            see Medlen being packaged for a horse vs FA sign,
            again IMO. Minor is an animal. I try to not forget
            Braves won their division handily despite injuries,
            failure of Uggla and BJ, and loss of several set up

          • fireboss

            I’m not sure of course but the Giants looked at his medicals and decided it was worth the risk. There aren’t any FA pitchers worth signing so a trade seems likely though Jeff Neimann elected free agency today after the Rays offered him the option. He’s been injured for most of two seasons but if healthy would be a nice addition. Chipper was interviewed on XM and said what I am others believe, the Braves need a Power arm at the top of the rotation. We have a group of 2s and 3s and while Teheran could break out he’s only 22 and could take another year or more. Minor is a keeper and Medlen could well be used in a trade though I personally think that would be a mistake. Beachy is still a question mark for me. and Wood’s best use may well be in the bullpen where he can air it out for one or two innings and never see the same hitter 3 times in a game.
            There was a reason you didn’t mention that also helped the Braves win the east and so many games. The Phillies were old and the Nats didn;t have the depth to get them through their injuries. The Marlins were a AAA team and the Mets a AAAA team. The nationals won’t be that bad again and the Marlins will be better.

  • carpengui

    To answer the next question…

    Bronson Arroyo (hope not)

    Dan Haren
    Ervin Santana (not a chance)
    Paul Maholm (seriously doubt that, too)

    … or that David Price trade?
    … revisit Milwaukee’s demands for Kyle Lohse?

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      • carpengui

        Probably more available than Scherzer… who I wouldn’t go after since he’s only got 1 more control year.

        On one hand, I keep thinking Porcello really _needs_ to be in a National League park to blossom. On the other, I have also kept waiting for him to suddenly ‘get it’ and bust out with a great year. That’s not been happening… at least not since his 1st year. Ignoring that, his ERA+ has averaged about 91 for 4 straight years… and I gotta believe we already have arms that can match that (like maybe _all_ of them).

        • fireboss

          Have a hunch that Samardziia is more likely than Price, or Scherzer. They talk about extending him but by the time they are ready he’ll be 31, not past it and if they can extend him now probably inexpensive. Thing is he knows that too and he’s likely to price himself out of Theo’s plans. I like him but I’m not sure I;d pay Theo’s price is prospects for him unless he took Uggla off our hand too and I doubt he wants to do that even if Barney continues to struggle

  • Matthew Jones

    I won’t disagree that the money didn’t make sense for the Braves, but it just makes me feel crappy that Hudson won’t be here next year. And I agree with Chipper, we’ve got to get a power arm. I don’t know if it’ll be a #1 guy, but power arm nonetheless.

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