Braves At Winter Meetings: Live Thread (Day 2)


 

Today begins the 2nd day of the December sessions of Major League Baseball’s Winter Meetings, continuing through Thursday (Deccember 12th) at the Walt Disney World Swan and Dolphin Resort in Orlando, Florida.

Yesterday we began our Live Threads for each day of the winter meetings, and after 167 comments yesterday, we’re still no closer to knowing whether or not the Braves are going to make any significant moves during the meetings.  We did get some insight from a few tweets throughout the day…

 

Some have opined that Samardzija (including myself) might be the most viable move for the Braves, but even I’ve admitted that to be a long shot.  Mark Bowman may or may not have the inside track on that, but all indications for a JS trade would seem, as Bowman said, “slim”.  Not everyone seems to be on the same train of thought however, as AJC’s David O’Brien tweeted that…

 

In short, it’s not clear from these tweets what might happen with JS, but personally I don’t think the Braves will trade for any viable starter at all during the winter meetings.  They might, but it will require losing some significant talent, and I’m not sure the return on such an investment will be worth it.  It’s a continuing debate.

There are some tweets regarding comments that Frank Wren has reportedly made, that indicate a slim likelihood that the Braves will make any significant moves for a high-level starter, and will probably be satisfied to make some low-level moves instead.  David O’Brien tweeted the following…

 

 

 

So there you have it.  We could still see a big move, but it’s becoming increasingly evident that what we reported yesterday, that the Braves will mostly likely just be looking for some “bullpen help, and some bench upgrades” is probably all we can expect.  The next three days will certainly tell us more, and we’ll be here to report any breaking news that occurs.  We hope you’ll join us again today in our Live Thread of Day 2 of the Winter Meetings.

 

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  • http://www.tomahawktake.com/ Chris Headrick

    Little happened yesterday, little is likely to happen today, little is likely to happen period! :( Nonetheless, we’re here today if anything should, to comment, analyze, rant, and rave. Please join us Braves Family!

  • Alex Rodman

    The braves could get Jeff baker.

    • http://www.tomahawktake.com/ Chris Headrick

      Been there, done that. Jeff has been all over for a reason. Just say no :) That’s my personal opinion.

  • http://www.tomahawktake.com/ Chris Headrick

    Still pretty much dead this morning, so far. In other news that indirectly could affect the Braves, 9:31am: One executive that spoke with the Diamondbacks came away with the impression that Arizona is getting Choo, tweets Andy Martino of the New York Daily News.

    • fireboss

      Choo has grit? Does that make him hard to chew?

      • http://www.tomahawktake.com/ Chris Headrick

        Supposedly only make him hard to hit :)

        • fireboss

          I think the Arizona Choo Chew would be a great candy bar

  • http://www.tomahawktake.com/ Chris Headrick

    Even the Marlins who’ve struggled in recent years will be a team to content with in 2014. We already know their pitching staff is healthy, and VERY good, and now this from MLB Trade Rumors:

    The Marlins are interested in adding Juan Uribe to fill their hole at third base, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports.

    The Marlins have been surprisingly active this offseason, inking Jarrod Saltalamacchia,Garrett Jones and Rafael Furcal to free agent deals. The team is said to be aggressively shopping first baseman Logan Morrison as well, which has been rumored to be one potential means of addressing Miami’s need at third base.

  • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

    Okay, I’m finally here… schools were on a 2-hour delay, so I used that time to rant against Frank. Only news I know of is that the Nationals are backing off of signing EOF since they seem convinced that he’s gonna re-sign with Atlanta.

    Interesting, given that we’ve heard nothing – zero, nada, naught – from the Braves’ side on that subject.

  • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

    I just want the Braves to be the ‘mystery team’ for a change.

  • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

    Okay, I’m gonna speculate out loud for a minute:

    Current Committed Budget (w/arbitration estimates from MLBTR): $83.18m
    Budget: $100 million.
    David Price: approx. $17-17.3million for 2014; maybe the same for 2015.

    Gee, those numbers seem to add up within ~$1m, by my reckoning. Budget really isn’t the issue. It’s the trade matchup, I guess.

    Just sayin’.

  • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

    Enrique Rojas/ESPN @Enrique_Rojas1 1m
    Source: #Dodgers and #WSox pushing hard for Juan Uribe. Others in the mix.

    Okay.

    • http://www.tomahawktake.com/ Chris Headrick

      As I noted below, Fish in that mix as well.

      • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

        Right… I have a hunch they’ll be overrun, though.

        • http://www.tomahawktake.com/ Chris Headrick

          Either way, that team cannot be overlooked in the NL East next year.

          • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

            Right – Matt Diaz scaring me about that right now.

      • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

        Fish no longer in that Uribe mix:

        clarkspencer @clarkspencer 4m
        Hearing that the #Marlins have no interest in Juan Uribe as a 3B option.

        • http://www.tomahawktake.com/ Chris Headrick

          Change their mind, or was Rosenthal wrong on the front end?

          • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

            I’m gonna go with somewhere in between. Passing interest; not really engaged.

    • fireboss

      Anyone pursuing Uribe HARD is really silly unless it’s a one year deal. He’s horrible in any year but a walk year.

  • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

    MLBTR: ESPN’s Jayson Stark tweets
    that the only way the Phillies would move Hamels or Lee would be in a
    “win-win” situation in which they receive a huge return and shed the
    entirety of the remaining salary. In other words, a trade his unlikely.

    >> Also, I see a tweet suggesting that new Cuban signee Miguel Gonzalez might not be ready to go as previously expected. So on the one hand, Philly is looking for pitching. On the other hand, they want to dump one of these monster pitching contracts.

    Does anybody have a clue what Philly is actually doing?

    • fireboss

      Phillies are caught in between, don’t want to publicly declare a rebuild but so close to luxury tax hell they’re scared to go for it. Hamels and Lee make $23M and $25M in 2014 and 15. Hamels continues through 18 like that Lee has a $12.5M 2016. It appears Amaro has no real plan just bounces from deal to deal on his gut. Overpays Howard and Papelbon then Utley gets old and he doesn’t trade him. Should have traded Lee last July. So the answer is No, no one knows

  • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

    Okay, I admit it: Justin Masterson would fit this (suddenly new) idea of filling out the rotation with veteran depth. ERA+ of 100, averaging 200 innings over each of last 4 years, very good year in 2013. Move to a more pitcher-friendly park in the NL wouldn’t hurt. Cleveland is “willing to listen.”

    I’ve been beaten down. My expectations have melted.

  • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

    DBacks look to be a front-runner for Choo with Texas backing off and Seattle wanting a RH bat (Nelson Cruz?).

  • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

    Buster Olney is trying to create his own rumor: proposes a 3-way deal between Angels/WSox/DBacks. AZ would get Trumbo; Angels get Tyler Skaggs and Hector Santiago; WSox get Adam Eaton.

    Now Jon Heyman says he and Keith Law are both giving that idea more serious legs. If this were to happen, then that Choo-to-AZ rumor from below goes up in smoke.

    • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

      Sounds like this is a REAL trade in progress (WSox/AZ/LAA)… “preliminary stages”, but on-going.

      • fireboss

        Trumbo to AZ. Skaggs back to LAA Eaton to Chi Sox. Santiago – who I really kind of liked – to LAA, Angels throwing in prospects – such as they are – to AZ. Somebody is high on something. Eaton for Santiago? Uh no.

  • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

    Matt Diaz now on XM/MLB Radio (lives in Winter Haven – just literally down the road… just said “25 minutes away”). This was the best interview these guys have had for the entire 2 days so far.

    “I have a funky nasty swing, as everybody knows”
    “I’m 35 years old and still have no idea where the strike zone is”

    • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

      Really cool to hear Matt talking about his last couple of years – very realistic about his abilities and limitations, but clearly schmoozing to see if anybody wants a RH hitter. Says “stunk it up” in Pittsburgh… laughing about it. Now talking about how Bobby Cox gets the most out of players – including himself.

    • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

      Story about Bobby: Matt says he cost Bobby one ejection as Cox thought Matt had seen a play (Cox wanted confirmation: “he was safe, wasn’t he??!”). Well, Matt was in the dugout and had just been to the restroom – didn’t see the play. “Uh, yeah, coach – he was safe!” Bobby went out there and got tossed… of course.

      Later Matt saw the video… the player was out by a step-and-a-half!

      Matt says he would be content to try and play one more year – hopefully his knee bounces back from microfracture surgery. Real intensive rehab. He’s now up to hitting again.

    • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

      Now Singing the praises of Marlins catcher Jeff Mathis – ‘best defensive catcher I’ve seen’, with marlins pitchers have an ERA of one full run less when he is behind the plate. Wow. Fish could be tough.

    • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

      Best “AB”/”approach” guys: Chipper, Kelly Johnson.
      Best “Under the radar pitcher”: EOF, Brandon Webb (I think that’s who he said)

    • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

      So Matt, what job do you take if you’re not playing this year?
      - Broadcasting first, for sake of time with the family.

      On football: ‘FSU “out-talents” Auburn at virtually every position on the field. That said, would almost rather have any other team against (his) FSU Seminoles in the BCS Champ game other than Auburn.’ (paraphrased)

      Wants to bet Huddy on the game “He’s offered to sell me tickets – he’s a good friend” (laughter all around).

      • http://www.tomahawktake.com/ Chris Headrick

        I’m not an Auburn fan, but trust me – they will beat FSU. Love to lay a wager.

        • Alex Rodman

          Mizzou could beat fsu

          • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

            Well, if Auburn can hang 59 on them, FSU might be able to hit 100.
            (disclsoure: I have no dog in the fight… my team is gonna get routed by Baylor)

  • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

    That 3-way deal is shaping up like this:
    > White Sox get Adam Eaton from AZ
    > Angels get LHPitcher (Hector Santiago?) from WSox, LHP Tyler Skaggs from AZ
    > DBacks gets Mark Trumbo from LAA and one middlin’ prospect from each of the other clubs.

    Looking like it is truly coming together.

    • Jeff Schafer

      Arizona might have a pretty scary lineup now

  • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

    Jon Heyman

    LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. — The Eric Chavez market is heating up, with at least seven teams in on the free-agent third baseman at the moment.The Rangers, Rays, Pirates, *Braves*, Diamondbacks, Nationals and Yankees all have checked in with interest, though the Yankees’ signing of Kelly Johnson might diminish the chances of a return to New York.

    • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

      Quickie info: He turned 36 last Saturday, most of career with Oakland. NYY in 2011-12; AZ in 2013. 3B guy… 6 gold gloves (2001-2006).

      Hit .281 in both 2012-2013 playing 1/3-1/2 time; 9 HR in 254 AB in 2013.
      Braves interest would be (a) LH bench bat; (b) late inning defensive sub at 3B. Fangraphs info suggests that he’s still above average as a fielder, though not nearly like he was in 2001-05. Still, when compared to Chris Johnson…

      His splits are… weird. Every other year, he hammers RHP. In those ‘other’ years, it’s almost even. Go figure. Still, figure him to hit close to .300 vs. RHP.

      With this many teams involved, might require a 2 yr commitment… I’d guess $2-2.5m per.

  • Brandon_Woodworth

    Dave O’Brien confirming reports from yesterday saying EOF is likely to re-sign with Atlanta. Lets see if my piece from a month ago is accurate.

    • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

      That’s actually pretty cool to hear.

      • Jeff Schafer

        I love this news!! EOF and Jonny V!!

        • Benjamin Chase

          Add that in with Avilan, and I really like our look against guys like Harper, Utley/Howard, etc. in our division late in games, and especially when we hit postseason possibles with guys like Adrian Gonzalez, Joey Votto, Jay Bruce, Carl Crawford, etc.

    • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

      @ajcbraves: #Braves in talks with O’Flaherty, looks like good chance he’ll be back in ATL.

    • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

      Imagine coming into July (I know – some say May, but I’m a realist with TJ comebacks) and adding 2 new bullpen arms: Venters and EOF.
      Best news I’ve heard this week.

  • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

    Jim Duquette on XM/MLB now having a credibility conniption about this 3-way deal being the ‘answer’ for the Angels pitching needs.

  • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

    David Lennon @DPLennon 3m
    #Mets to have discussions with reps for Freddy Garcia, Cesar Izturis and
    Johan Santana today. See good fits with veterans in $$ range.

  • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

    Fredi Gonzalez will be on XM/MLBRadio soon. Was just meeting w/the rest of the media.

    • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

      That’s Mark Bowman up front in the light gray shirt. Might be Dave O’Brien in the foreground at left.

  • http://www.tomahawktake.com/ Chris Headrick

    Ex Her Size, in Few tility

  • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

    Mark Bowman @mlbbowman 2m
    Fredi is planning to use Heyward in the leadoff spot. #Braves

    • http://www.tomahawktake.com/ Chris Headrick

      Outside of any other tried and viable options, cannot blame him.

  • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

    Mark Bowman @mlbbowman 1m
    Fredi called Gattis this week to tell him he would be his regular catcher. There’s a chance Laird could see more time than the normal backup

    • http://www.tomahawktake.com/ Chris Headrick

      I hope so, for Atlanta’s sake. I’m still not convinced Gattis can handle those duties ably game-in, game-out, at least until he’s weathered more of a learning curve than he’s been able to so far.

      • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

        The best news there? I think Evan is still more than willing to learn.

  • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

    Mark Bowman @mlbbowman 2m
    The #Braves are talking to O’Flaherty. But there still seems to be some uncertainty about where he’ll sign.

    My translation of that: he was hoping for a better offer.

  • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

    David O’Brien @ajcbraves 41s

    #Braves Fredi G said B.J. started offseason hitting past few days. Fredi and
    hitting coach will go to Tampa or B.J. to ATL to work together.

    • fireboss

      Thought BJ was moving to ATL so he could workout there

  • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

    David O’Brien @ajcbraves 6m
    #Braves Fredi G on Uggla: “We’ve got to get him fixed…. The first contact (with him this offseason by Braves) has got to be me.”

    >> Sorry, Fredi, he just got married. You’ll be second. :)

    • fireboss

      Maybe his chest will be lighter and his bat faster next year…. or not

  • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

    Take-a-ways from those last few Fredi tweets:
    1. We’re keeping Uggla… committed to getting both he and BJ ‘fixed’.
    2. Wren still trying to pinch pennies (EOF)
    3. Bethancourt, LaStella to start season at AAA unless something drastic happens.
    4. Heyward only reasonable option to lead off.

  • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

    3-way deal w/Diamondbacks, White Sox, LA Angels (Mark Trumbo, Hector Santiago, Adam Eaton as the principals) seems to be done.

  • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

    Braves’ tweet: “Congratulations to @Kimbrel46 for winning the 2013 #GIBBY Award for Closer of the Year! #ReleaseTheKimbrel”

  • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

    Some guy suggesting that DBacks will be out on adding pitching after this deal .. not sure I agree. Still have best chips available.

    • fireboss

      They don;t have Price/Samardzjia chips left

  • http://www.tomahawktake.com/ Chris Headrick

    Been swamped at work. Sorry for not being able to be more “present”.

    • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

      Will wake you gently as the need arises. I have a 2×4 available.

      • http://www.tomahawktake.com/ Chris Headrick

        I’m so tired, would take at least a 2×6 treated, for some heft and surface density.

        • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

          ummmm… Southern Yellow Pine is what I have available. May have to whack twice.

  • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

    Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 55s
    Source: #Rockies acquire Brett Anderson from #Athletics for Drew Pomeranz and Chris Jensen.

    >>Pomeranz was part of the Ubaldo Jimenez deal with the Indians in 2011.

    “The Rockies traded their ace to Cleveland for four players, including top pitching prospects Drew Pomeranz and Alex White… also receive Double-A sinkerballer Joe Gardner and utilityman Matt McBride.” (from DenverPost article on that deal).

  • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

    Kevin McAlpin @KevinMcAlpin (various tweets) 7m

    Frank Wren says things have progressed today and that they’ve had good meetings with several clubs & agents. #Braves

    Wren says they’ve had “good conversations” regarding Eric O’Flaherty. #Braves

    Wren (on O’Flaherty): “he would love to come back. We have a great
    relationship with him. Hopefully in the end it will work out” #Braves

    >> Soooo….. why am I having this uneasy “Hudson all over again” feeling?

    • fireboss

      That “Hopefully in the end it will work out” comment is what makes me go uh huh sure…

  • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

    Now Kevin Towers being quoted as saying that a trade for a starter (frontline guys) may be difficult due to their Trumbo deal. So the David Price field may indeed shrink by one…. though Yahoo’s Tim Brown thinks otherwise.

    Focus still seems to be centered around a Seattle trade.

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