Oct 6, 2013; Los Angeles, CA, USA; Atlanta Braves starting pitcher Julio Teheran (49) pitches in the first inning against the Los Angeles Dodgers in game three of the National League divisional series playoff baseball game at Dodger Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Robert Hanashiro-USA TODAY Sports

Julio Teheran And Atlanta Braves Signed Long Term?


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Information is breaking this morning on Julio Teheran and the Atlanta Braves reaching a deal that could lock up their young starting pitcher for a pretty good while.

The 23-year-old has reportedly signed a deal that could keep him in Atlanta for six years and a possible option in the seventh year.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

    There’s a option for $12m with a $1m buyout at the end (Jon Heyman). That’s a really nice deal for Atlanta… even if he were to lose a year to Tommy John surgery or something.

  • fireboss

    Classic John Hart move #2. The question now becomes Minor and Medlen next? If there’s no offer made to Medlen you have to look at him as on the market. If no offer to Minor either he had an offer before arb and turned it down or he won’t talk or they don’t expect him to continue.
    Over the past season and a half Minor’s put up a 131 ERA+ in 298 1/3 innings.
    In the past two seasons Medlen’s ERA+ is 158 in 335 innings.

    • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

      I’ve heard Simmons – nothing about MInor/Medlen. I expect they are both too far down the road at this point… Medlen for sure is.

      • fireboss

        If they think that it’s a mistake they will regret.

        • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

          Possibly. But sometimes you’ve gotta make choices, and thus far, the pitching choice is JT. Minor is still under team control for 3 more years, but the chance to obtain a ‘discount’ for those years has now passed.

    • Brandon_Woodworth

      Simmons is the next priority. Both Minor and Medlen could become completely replaced with our influx of new starting pitching by the time they hit free agency.

      • fireboss

        Simmons is 5 years from free agency. How about we wait and see if he can hit his weight consistently? I believe he will but there are no guarantees and no reason to drop a contract on him now.
        Minor and Medlen COULD be replaced but Sims and Graham COULD turn into Hanson and Jurrjens just as easily. Woody COULD be a long term starter or he COULD turn into a reliever.
        I’m in favor of locking up those that prove they can do the job. Minor and Medlen have done that.
        TNSTAAPP….

        • Brandon_Woodworth

          Simmons contract would not be more than $40MM for his arb years and 1-2 FA years., Minor and Medlen wouldn’t even begin discussions there. Cost certainty on a player who hasn’t fully developed yet but is already the best defensive player in the game >>> Replaceable pitchers with big salaries. Even if Simmons doesn’t hit his weight, $40 or so MM for that defense for 5+ years is worth it.

          • fireboss

            if Simmons doesn’t hit he is a replaceable shortstop. Jose Peraza’s scouting report projects him to be a fine hitting major league shortstop with the range and arm to stay at SS. He’ll be ready by the time Simmons hits free agency and he has superior speed.
            You suggest that Minor and Medlen are replaceable with Hirsch, Grahan , Sims et al and they might – MIGHT – turn out to be what minor and Medlen have been. But they, like Peraza, are still just prospects.
            Rather that reinvent the wheel I’ll resort to a quote from Joe Sheehan over at BP
            :” Minor-league pitchers . . . are still developing in significant ways: physically, mentally and emotionally. If you can’t predict where most major-league pitchers will be two years out, it’s quite a conceit to think you can predict where any minor-league pitcher will be even one year out. . . .”
            The list of failed minor league prospects is a lot longer than the list of successful ones. So don’t tell me you can predict that you are certain you can replace Minor or Medlen with any arm in the system. It just isn’t that absolute. While Minor or Medlen could fail as well they have things those arms don’t the foremost of those is a record of success at the major league level. Cost certainty on Simmons is a red herring.

            The Braves already have reasonable cost certainty on him for three years unless he suddenly turns that 298 OBP into a 398 OBP. Even in free agency he’s not getting Tulo money if he doesn’t hit a lot better. Bats get paid gloves get applause. It isn’t right but it’s true. I dispute your certainty that M&M couldn’t be extended reasonably. Prior to the the excessively quick Teheran signing with Medlen’s 5.8 as year one a contract he could likely have been signed for 4 @36 getting 2 of his FA year and locking in 200 innings of quality pitching. The Dodgers just paid 23M for 2 years and The Giants gave Hudson almost that much.
            Minor is still has three years of control and a track record or performing at the highest level in a pivotal game. Still they only gave him 3.85 this year so making it 6 @ 60 would likely been close to enough. Now of course the Braves have raised the bar, not necessarily with the size of the contract but the fact that he got one and as far as we known they weren’t approached. That’s an insult to two guys who have been the horses in the rotation. I know Teheran had a good stretch in the middle of last season but that’s not a track record, it’s just a hot streak. I expect him to do well I hope he does well but then I expected Jurrjens to do well too and he’s out of baseball AFAIK.

          • Brandon_Woodworth

            That Minor and Medlen don’t turn around tomorrow and start pitching like Kyle Davies isn’t that absolute either. Rewarding past performance with unnecessary overpay is not as good as slight overpay for past performance when there is time and room to grow. If Simmons begins hitting well, the price goes sky high. Get him before he starts hitting well.

          • fireboss

            Kyle Davis? Wow that’s an odd reference, you must have seen that he’s trying to get a minor league contract again. Noting is guaranteed with pitchers but the only predictor of future performance is past performance, that’s why Kimbrel got his money, that’s why Verlander, Scherzer and others pitchers get theirs. Your position seems to be that it’s okay to give guaranteed years and money to a pitcher with no track record save one stretch of 17 games in the middle of last season because he projects well but not okay to pay the pitchers who were have been among the leagues best. That’s the reverse of the way teams actually award contracts.The track record of the player is always the basis for future salary, that’s the way arbitration works and that’s the way free agency works.

            On the open market the numbers suggested for Medlen and Minor are an underpay not an overpay and it should be since they are still under team control. Teheran’s 17 game streak worked out to a 2.34 ERA and a 1.068 WHIP. In roughly the same number of games (15) in the second half of 2012 he pitched to a 2.21 ERA and a 0.854 WHIP good for an ERA+ of 178. He continued his good work this season matching Teheran’s in spite of that hot streak but he’s not worthy of extension. That makes no sense whatsoever.

            I think it was unnecessary to lock Teheran up now but I don’t particularly mind. Personally I want to see him do it again before I say he’s arrived. All Medlen has done is perform superbly in every roll they’ve handed him but he gets no respect at all except from the other team when he’s on the mound. Extending the inconsistent rookie and ignoring the men who kept the team out of the cellar is at least a lack of respect for what they’ve done.

            Simba’s bat in the near future is unlikely to drive his price sky high. The only shortstops with big salaries are there for there bat. Alexei Ramirez is closest to Simba in terms of the bat we can expect. He got his extension after hitting double digit home runs for three years. Since then he hasn’t and most now consider it an awful contract. His glove isn’t near as good but of the bat determines the contract. Maybe unfair but you know that’s the way it works.

  • Joseph Fain

    Seems like a very team friendly deal. I would think Medlen is too close to FA to extend. Hasn’t there been some chatter about bad blood between Minor and the front office?

    • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

      One of Minor’s pre-arb contracts had to be auto-renewed: he apparently declined to sign it. That’s the lone token show of protest a player can make about salary at that stage of life. 2014 is his first arbitration year, and the two sides settled for $3.85 million without any further ado. Can’t say from afar, but hopefully he’s past that.