Mar 3, 2014; Jupiter, FL, USA; Miami Marlins starting pitcher Jacob Turner (33) delivers a pitch against the Houston Astros at Roger Dean Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Steve Mitchell-USA TODAY Sports

Could/Should the Braves Trade for Jacob Turner?


Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports tweets that the Marlins are actively open to trade talks for starting pitcher Jacob Turner:

 

 

The reason he is even available is due to the fact that he is out of optionsi.e., sending Turner to the minors would require the Fish to expose him to waivers, where he would absolutely be claimed by at least half the teams in the majors.  Thus the Marlins want to turn their surplus into future depth and quality.

Turner is almost 23 years old and won’t even be arbitration eligible until 2016.  He was 3-8 for the Marlins in 2013, pitching over 170 innings – 118 of those in the majors – with a 3.74 major league ERA.  His walks were a little high, but that was unusual for him.  Turner tends to keep the ball down – and in the park.  He isn’t a strikeout specialist, but – did I mention that he’s available and young?

 

Yes – other teams need him a lot, notably those listed above by Morosi.  But so does Atlanta.  Here’s the latest on their own rotation situation:

  • Kris Medlen. Out for the year; likely through Spring 2015.
  • Brandon BeachyOut for the year; likely through Spring 2015.
  • Gavin FloydIt really scares me to think that he may try to return after only 11 months post-surgery.  We’ll see.  Regardless, don’t expect him to start logging 7 or 8 inning outings with regularity.
  • Mike Minor.  Looking like the end of April.
  • Ervin Santana.  Looked pretty good today – maybe second week of the season.
  • Julio Teheran.  Will be Opening Day starter, barring any issues.
  • Alex Wood.  May very well be the #2 starter.
  • Freddy Garcia.  May very well be the #3 starter.  This is where we start getting queasy.
  • David Hale.  May very well be the #4 starter to begin the year.
  • Hopefully Santana is ready to go by the time a 5th starter is actually needed.

Beyond that, there’s no depth.  None.  The AAA pitchers that have been throwing in the Spring games have not performed well, aside from Gus Schlosser, who is still in the running for a bullpen slot (and I think he’ll get it expressly because of the shakiness of our rotation).

 

If the Braves pursued Turner…

Then the rotation by May/June could look like this:

  • Minor
  • Santana
  • Teheran
  • Floyd
  • Wood/Turner

That’s a lot better looking than what things look like entering the season.  Plus, there’s the depth thing – important given my own concerns about Gavin Floyd coming back so soon.  The only complication is that Jacob Turner still would not have any options:  he’d be on the major league roster… or bust.  But Wood and Turner in that 5th slot… or subbing for Floyd… would make perfect sense.

Frankly, this would be an important acquisition for the future as wellIn his piece earlier today, Fred let us know just how common it is for pitchers to return strong from a second Tommy John procedure.  Hint:  it’s not.  Ergo, if even one of those guys ever pitches effectively for Atlanta again, then the odds will have been beaten.

Also – look at this rotation:  Gavin Floyd?  Will be a free agent and gone after the year.  Ervin Santana?  Same thing.  We’ll get to the end of the year and suddenly be shopping for pitchers again.  It therefore does make sense to consider doing this right now.

 

What Do the Marlins Want for Turner?

My own suspicion is that Joey Terdoslavich would be the biggest loss from the roster if this were to become a serious pursuit.  He’s versatile, athletic, and can hit.  He’s also perfect for the Marlins given that he can play first base or left field.

Other possibilities:  Though they have Rafael Furcal, word is that second base is a priority.  Phil Gosselin could fill that spot ably.  He also can take left field in a pinch (as he did today).  First base is also an area of need.  Ernesto Mejia is the obvious choice, there.  The downside is that his fielding is … poor.  His hitting is enough to consider, though, since he would provide competent protection behind Giancarlo Stanton.

There are lots of other piece/parts that could be discussed – and in all honesty, the Braves would miss none of these guys, given the new contract situations Frank Wren has engineered.  The biggest deterrent would be whether the Marlins would even entertain the idea if trading Turner within the division.

 

It’s hardly a lock that Frank Wren would entertain this… at this point, there is no noise about such a move.  But it’s certainly worth investigating, particularly given the novelty of such a pitcher becoming available.

 

 

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  • Will Frasier

    When I read the rumors the Marlins were shopping him my mind immediately jumped to Mejia, since they have a horrible situation at first. I just wasn’t sure what else they would want, obviously someone cheap.

  • Lee Trocinski

    Turner for Joey T would be a decent straight-up trade, but it would probably take more than just Mejia if they go that route. Gosselin is of no value to the Marlins, as they have plenty of guys who can already hit better than him at the position. Maybe they could throw someone like Gearrin in with Mejia, but that’s all I’d give up for a young arm that doesn’t strike out many hitters.

  • fireboss

    Joey plays first too and If they would take Joey and Gearrin I’d do it fast. Turner has upside and is a good arm

    • Lee Trocinski

      I realize he’s been pushed quickly through the minors and to the majors, but he hasn’t had a good K rate since A-ball in ’10. Plus his stuff is not that great. His curve and slider both have poor depth, and his change is very inconsistent. His fastballs are 91-93, which is decent, but the four-seamer doesn’t have the late life and his two-seamer has average sink and not much tail. He would be an improvement over Hale and Garcia, but I don’t see more than average results in his career.

      • fireboss

        Let me see, who was the man that kept telling me average is not a bad thing? He is better than Hale or Garcia and he should be able to go 170+ innings. Gearrin isn’t likely to hang around long, Fredi isn’t a fan and Joey is blocked everywhere. They won;t trade him in division anyway but I’d still do it.

        • Lee Trocinski

          Average is not a bad thing, but I thought you were overstating his future abilities. He’s not quite to average right now, due to the lack of K’s. I see his control getting better to get him to average, but that’s all. I would take the trade, but I don’t see him as a future stalwart in any rotation.

        • Sealift67

          Joey is blocked at present. Andrus was blocked, Brook Jacoby
          was blocked by Horner, so many others, who could have been
          valuable. Javy Lopez was not loved by Bobby C. He played
          his way up. Like trading a stock, check your fundamentals
          and take a long view, my opinion.

  • Sealift67

    Would hate to see Joey T. go. I think he has a bright future at the right time.
    Would be careful about a sense of urgency with Santana getting ready and Minor
    coming along. There is, albeit questionable, emergency depth in the system
    eg Martin, Northcraft, Rodriguez, well sort of, and the old waiver wire as
    roster cuts emerge. Teheran I’ve said is a potential 1 starter, Wood looks great,
    Santana, Minor. Hale has that fine sinker, which always takes time in spring to
    replicate. Garcia got that junk.

  • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

    NEW UPDATE…. and it figures: from MLBTR…

    “Though recent reports have indicated that the Marlins could be willing to move Jacob Turner, Joe Frisaro of MLB.com writes that the club isn’t inclined to deal from its wealth of starting pitching at this time. Moreover, Juan C. Rodriguez of the Miami Sun-Sentinel
    spoke with an NL executive from a rival team in need of pitching who
    called the Marlins just this week and was plainly told that Turner isn’t
    available.”

    • http://tomahawktake.com/ carpengui

      >> My take? It seems very interesting that there might be such a huge gap in the reports here – between have “active trade talks” to “isn’t available.” Somebody’s really wrong here, though Jon Morosi is usually very reliable on this stuff.

      Don’t forget: he’s gotta make the rotation (and he should) since he’s out of options.