May 9, 2014; Atlanta, GA, USA; Atlanta Braves starting pitcher Julio Teheran (49) pitches against the Chicago Cubs during the third inning at Turner Field. Mandatory Credit: Dale Zanine-USA TODAY Sports

Atlanta Braves Julio Teheran Exits Game With…


May 14, 2014; San Francisco, CA, USA; Atlanta Braves starting pitcher Julio Teheran (49) pitches the ball against the San Francisco Giants during the fourth inning at AT&T Park. Mandatory Credit: Kelley L Cox-USA TODAY Sports

Looking to continue a strong start to the 2014 season, Julio Teheran set foot to the mound at AT&T Park on Wednesday afternoon looking to shut out the Giants.  Shutting them out was probably the complete opposite of what happened.

Teheran struggled mightily on the hill while in search for his command.  You could tell very early in the game that he was leaving a lot of his pitches up in the zone.  The first inning finally concluded after a 41-pitch outing.

Teheran lasted onto 3.1 innings and allowed five runs on seven hits and a career-high five walks.

May 14, 2014; San Francisco, CA, USA; Atlanta Braves starting pitcher Julio Teheran (49) pitches the ball against the San Francisco Giants during the first inning at AT&T Park. Mandatory Credit: Kelley L Cox-USA TODAY Sports

May 14, 2014; San Francisco, CA, USA; Atlanta Braves starting pitcher Julio Teheran (49) pitches the ball against the San Francisco Giants during the first inning at AT&T Park. Mandatory Credit: Kelley L Cox-USA TODAY Sports

The trainers came out to the mound to check on Teheran but he said he was OK to continue.  We thought maybe a blister popped up or a cut on a finger.  But what it turned out to be could be even worse than those injuries….

“I couldn’t find my grip,” said Teheran after the game.  “It was just something that happened that was difficult.  Same thing happened last year in the postseason but I tried to get through it because I knew I’m going to be pitching with those feelings a lot.”

So he couldn’t find his grip – what exactly does that mean??  And he gets those feelings a lot??  That’s more concerning.

When asked if there was anything wrong with his hand, Teheran responded with “No, it’s just my grip”.

Everyone is entitled to have an off-day and I’m not worried about Wednesday’s game…that game is behind me, I’m already thinking about the Cardinals…but I’m worried about the issues the 23-year-old is talking about with his grip of the baseball.

 

Chipper Jones was watching today’s ball game and recognized early that Julio had a potential problem.

 

From reading a few other tweets, it sounds like dry air could be the cause of this situation.  Looking ahead at the schedule a little, in June the Braves travel out west again for a couple series and the Dodgers in late July.  I’m sure Teheran will get the ball in most of those series so it will be interesting to take a look at what he’s learned.

“Every time I get into this kind of weather, I have a hard time but I’m still trying to find a way to get through it…I don’t want to leave in the 3rd inning (4th inning Wednesday) again,” Teheran told reporters in the locker room.

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  • fireboss

    The air in SF isn’t drive, there’s a bay there. It sounds like a nerve impingement and could be the nerve running through the elbow getting trapped when there’s a little swelling or inflammation. The control issue looked like a shoulder issue to me. In Smoltz’ book he said he could throw hard after they rebuilt his but he had little idea where it was going That looked like Julio today. The nerve that runs to the hand comes through the shoulder too so inflammation there not bad enough to hurt could put pressure on it as well. It’s all speculation of course until it manifests itself regularly or more severely. It was a bad day even though the small ball bats woke up a but. The good news is the Cards are having serious issues too. It’s a mess

    • Mushy Peas

      You think Teheran’s poor performance and “lack of grip” is a result of nerve impingement? Whether its impingement or entrapment, or its source is at the shoulder, elbow, or distal to the elbow, there is virtually always a distinct sensory impairment that would be difficult to go unnoticed by the individual (unless it involves the AIN/PIN); and in most cases related to the valgus stresses imposed by pitching, it’s the ulnar nerve that is usually involved. -That’s always been my understanding. Even if it is a neuritis, he would still have noticeable discomfort. It was bizarre to see him struggle the way he did, but I’m thinking any pitcher can have a bad day and not feel like he has a grip on the ball. In addition, I imagine the pressure and frustrations of underperforming that day would further compound that feeling; especially after the Braves managed to get him some rare early runs to play with. Even so, with the epidemic of injuries to pitchers these days, I’m hoping that they will still do some sort of assessment just to make sure to rule out anything physical regardless of what he says. I’m going to remain optimistic and take his word that it was simply a bad day where he just didn’t have a feel for the baseball. I know alot of pitchers tend to become infected with denial when facing a physical impediment that could jeopardize their season. Let’s all hope that’s not the case.

      • fireboss

        I was simply reacting to what i saw and what I’ve seen happen to pitchers in recent years. I know you’re a doc and I’m not but I watch these pitchers closely and he didn’t look the same. Maybe it was just a bad day, everyone has them and I hope that’s what it was. What made me think this isn’t a bad day is that it’s has happened before. I dismiss atmospheric issues because no one else on either team had them.The ball wasn’t different nor the air dry and thin and those issues didn’t bother him in Colorado where the air in thin and the balls notoriously slick. He kept staring at his hand and rubbing his fingers together but if you can;t get a grip there are ways to improve that. I didn’t see him grab the rosin bag every pitch nor did I notice a lot of finger tip licking. When he went down the tunnel after the first I was afraid he wasn’t coming back up. Now I believe he went down to spray sunscreen on his arms to help him get a grip. From the second on he kept wiping sweat off of his arm but that was more likely sun screen to get his fingers sticky. Even with that added grip he had little to no idea where his FB was going. Remember the up and in pitches to Posey and others with target 3 feet away? For a guy who’s been sharp as a razor those were awful misses and he hasn’t consistently missed that badly for more than a year.
        When it comes to pain, these guys ache all over after the third week of the season and if this is an intermittent thing he could easily consider it routine. If you read Smoltz’ book or the Jason Schmidt interview about his injury they clearly detail how they accept so many things as the way it always feels. I concede that I could well be an over reaction and I sincerely hope it is.

        • Mushy Peas

          No need to jump on the defensive. I’m not intending to discredit anything you’ve said. I’m just providing my two cents from what I know personally and professionally to add to, or rule out what folks think may have happened to Teheran yesterday. Aside from having an understanding of human physiology, I’ve actually had surgery for an ulnar palsy that affected my left hand. I know what it feels like. I’m flattered you think I’m an MD :) I’m not. Just an R.N.! -As such, I’m inclined to always take a holistic approach, and to never ever make snap judgements or assumptions without a full presentation of facts. That’s how I could kill someone. It also happens to just be the general mindset I’ve always had, though I understand the intrigue of speculation. I know you watch these guys closely and you’ve been reading and writing in regards to how pitching mechanics relate to injury. I’m glad you are. I wish more people would. The more everyone knows, the better. As I said, I hope they still do an assessment on Julio, regardless of what he says because you never know. He was not at all like the Teheran we are all used to seeing…quite the opposite. It was disturbing to see no matter what the cause. At this point, I’m not going to speculate, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to disregard what others have to say. Like you, I hope it was just a bad day and not the early signs of something more significant.

          One more tidbit to add: I remember prior to the game they reported the relative humidity at game time yesterday in SF was 27%. So the air actually was quite dry. Warm, but dry. Might be useful to investigate the conditions on the others days he’s pitched for comparison….or not?

  • Sealift67

    Been overseas so news is old when I get it even with comsat. Putting aside a bit too
    much medical jargon which we use to sound smarter than we are, I’ll put in my 2 cents.
    Since there is no complaint of pain pretty much rule out neuropathy of the serious
    type. Absence of tingling with presence of numbness is interesting. One wonders
    if Julio simply grips too strongly, particularly on cold or danky nights and gets
    a bit of swelling where nerves tunnel into the wrist. Fancy term would be carpal
    tunnel(syndrome), likely at an early stage. Would need a nerve conduction study to
    start.